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Tdpriest is currently deep undercover and next week we should have the full story from him with photos and all! Also email us now at nwr@buffymail.com with anything you want to say to us. :P If you want to do the VCD MOVIE reviews for NWR, please email us and volunteer. The group report will remain done by Ryche, since he is truly evil and fits right in with us. -Lester [Co-Editor/Head Writer] .-.-. ( ) .-.\ : /.-. ( .`:`. ) ( /|\ ) `"` | `"` Well.. its been a shitty week for me. I would like to be mad at monkey-boy and his lover tdape for releasing without me, but there are more important things that need to be dealt with right now... Yeah.. that whole glftpd thing kind of made me wonder. We are getting fucking SLOPPY people. The busts are coming.. trust me.. it won't be pretty, so do what you can now to protect yourself. I guarantee they will get more this time than they did in cyberstrike. But onto happier things, for now... i am back (yay!..?) Prozac is also back, with a pretty good games report. Bud is away, but ryche is here doing his wacky thing, so.. nice work. As lester mentioned before, tdpriest is on assignment, but he did manage to email me a few fucking AMAZING pics.. the first 2 are of the secret elite RISC TOUR BUSES... That's right.. When RiSC needs to travel to courier conventions, or trading competitions, they go in STYLE.. Its a thing of beauty... riscbus1.jpg and riscbus2.jpg... The 3rd pic is one that tdpriest drew in his spare time. He says that he was "inspired", after meeting riches in person.. that is riches01.jpg Have a good week everyone, and ... be careful..... ;/ ndetroit [Co-Editor/Head Fatass] -----------[ index ]----------- I.) Intro a) Lester b) ndetroit II.) Quotes of the Week III.) Stats - Ndetroit's Weekly Stats, and comments on Sites. IV.) Lester's Biased Courier Report V.) Articles a) Prozac's Kinda Biased Games Report b) Bud's Biased Utils Report c) Lesters Moview Reviews d) VCD Group and Movie Reviews e) The Truth about GLFTPD VI.) Scene News - All the news thats fit to print VII.) Rumors! VIII.) Closing ---------------------[ Quotes of the Week! ]--------------------- - rm -rf /pants - LND should be listed before class in the affils :) - jaydee has a hairy ass.. stix is a talented hairdresser.. thats how they met.. -| 21346 | youthx | RiSC | 1d 1h | Idling For 1m 1s | - New UTILS dir on 'e' - Tooooo.drunk.tooo.courier created by 'loke'. [RAY] -0307- (zenke/ESPRiT/gripped by FEAR) Tooooo.drunk.tooo.courier -[[STiX] ] so what! im lame.. im already out of the closet as if i can be any worse off -[Alkivar ] Captain Picard ? [Alkivar ] wtf does that do ? [Ryche ] checks on Data? :P [Ryche ] bad pun.. nm - I hope you die I hope you get anal raped by glen and his 2" thick cock I hope so too -[FH] [UTIL] (Blitzkrieg) Random.game.for.lester.50.disks-ORIGIN - you wont be seing me talking about penises and vaginas anymore those days are over lol i know it is hard to believe - then maybe ill make weektop :P yeah, like psyber.. ;p hahah no to be like psyber i gotta dress in womens clothing oh wait nm yeah ill be like psyber -Last login: Tue Mar 9 19:18:04 on ttyp5 from fatty.campus.luth.se. You have mail. motd: Son, someday a man is going to walk up to you with a deck of cards on which the seal is not yet broken. And he is going to offer to bet you that he can make the Ace of Spades jump out of the deck and squirt cider in your ears. But son, do not bet this man, for you will end up with a ear full of cider. -- Sky Masterson's Father (seriously, that was the MOTD on my shell!!!!!!) -----------[ ndetroit's sites and stats section ]----------- Hey there... Ok... i got a lot of important news, and i am not overly sure which is the most important, but.. read on, and you will find out. Glftpd siteops: please read our special report on glftpd for more details. First off, NEC is down. It was NOT narked, as previously claimed, it was found out by the admins, who noticed a sudden *cough* spike* cough* in bandwidth. NEC is down, and will not be returning... I don't know all the staff on that site, but i know nutcase was staff there, and he is a great guy, so i am quite sorry to see it go.. ;/ Ok, now that i have talked about that, i will say this: glftpd is backdoored. Big surprise? not really, everyone knew it was there somewhere.. But the backdoor got used on a prominent scene site, by a member of the glftpd "coding team" (!?!).. read about this in our glftpd article, and if you are a siteop, i would encourage you to take this VERY seriously, and consider switching. Immediately. On to some more sad news: TV/TViSO/TVVCD are all down. However, it is not due to the siteop "wanting to concentrate on his studies", or... not entirely so. There have been some bad busts lately by the RIAA, and RIT.EDU was hit pretty hard. TV and its affiliate sites were one of the casualties.. almost by accident.. ;( The siteop would like to warn everyone against running a site at rit.edu right now, as that would be an INCREDIBLY stupid idea. Our thoughts are with the siteop. Some news that i missed last week, when tms was published by a group of monkeys at typriters: RDX has some new staff: trinidad and sanctuary hooked up there, giving that site INSTANT credibility.. bones canned hazzy and dee, and renamed the site to "CAT" (wtf?) and claims it will be top10 in a matter of weeks. With the loss of TV, E became OGN whq, making it super k-rad-leet. Congrats to them. 2 more old sites came back up: BB4 (the continuation of the 3 other bb sites) is back: corp, pdm, darkstar.. And DF is back as DF3.. I am not overly sure what is going on there, but i *think* it merged with ROOT... anyways, its a DMS HQ now. And i guess the crappiest news that i missed while i was gone is that HOE is down for good.. I won't go into details, but HOE was one of my favorite sites.. i am sorry to see it go... msg me if you see me, exile.. ;p =--------------------------------------------------------------------------= Sites are rated on a 3X and 2X scale.. if you want to know why we do it that way, read an old issue. Couriers get 10 points per site they get #1 on, 9 points for 2nd place, 8 points for 3rd, etc, etc. Sites are rated by us. If you don't like the ratings, then.... heh... fuck off and die.. =--------------------------------------------------------------------------= The Top Ten sites for this week are: x3 FS -*- STH -*- ET -*- E -*- FH x2 DLS -*- TOS -*- IC i didn't get any weektops this week, fuck it.. now that CWS is dead, give your weektops to me and lester... thx.. ;) =--------------------------------=--------------------------------------= -----------[ Lester's Biased Courier Section ]----------- Biased Courier Report Oooooooooooo ya bitches Dimension: Well, Morbid told me I couldn't praise Gee for his trading because he was pre'ing. This is simply unacceptable. :P Gee pre'd like all hell, but he was trading alot too, so I must give him props as well. DMS continues to lose sites as TV/TMS are down. But they picked up Dafat 3 as USHQ towards the end of the week. Otherwise, DMS had people coming out of hibernation and owning a site here and there. No purely dominant traders other than Gee money though. We shall see how this week goes. Devotion: The same people every week, and apparantly I have heard they picked up Xtase from M8. He was being recruited by alot of groups and nice job to Dev for getting him I guess. I haven't seen much of Jaydee since the HDS thing, so I don't have much to make fun of..:) Risc: Jman retired from 0day trading, ouch..Kenzo is the life support, Risc's comeback is failing alot.. MNM: Kruzin wants out, you guys are once again truly fucked. AOD: Not as super duper this week, Cedric is mr. reliable though and the others put up decent meggage to keep AOD on the up and up. VGN: Darkwolf is active, and there's some pre'ing going on, but VGN is still VGN.. Hawkeye did msg me the other day though, but I was idle so dunno whats up with that. Maybe he wanted to merge..:) OOmp! AOD merging with every group in the scene! newest rumor around town =----------------------------------=--------------------------------------= -----------[ Articles ]----------- =----------------------------------=--------------------------------------= -----------[ Prozac's Kinda Biased Gaming Report]----------- Prozac's Kinda Biased Gaming Report - #8 It seems some people are kicking ass, and others are being kicked in the dirt. What is the scene coming to? In the past, people were hush about group secrets, now people frigging blab about it in public or scene only channels! Welp after missing the first week of March, I'm back and here to talk about what I missed and what's going on. It's all nice and juicy this time around. Let's hit it! Class- Some say this group has gone to hell. Others (COUGH SMOKEY COUGH) say we're all gonna die and shrivel up into nothing very soon. With only 2 games in two weeks (and barely winning on Imp 2, with 2 other groups racing on this game), it's just not the same. But you might have seen the stuff on RHQ about what's going on. No need to repeat old news, as I also don't want to sound too pessimestic, since this is the group I'm apart of. It's getting eerie actually. It'll extremely interesting what happens over the last two weeks of March, and pull themselves out of the slump. Hot Releases: NASCAR Craftman Trucks - 5 disks (DUPE) Imperialism 2 - 16 disks Paradigm- Welp, they own the germans. They own the cracking scene. They own the inside. They own the stores. This group is unstoppable. But they are also doing the same things now what other groups have done in the past that hurt them in future: Rushing on games. First they win the cracking battle on RollerCoaster (two other groups were racing on this game), but mess up the package so you could only play in 16-bit mode & the installer deleted the main .exe's, and a fix was put out. FS:SODE has 240M of TEXTURES taken out to keep it under 50, and the word is going around that after a few hours the game is almost unplayable. I'm not in combat flight sims, so I didn't confirm this rumor. Lastly, they manage to win on Redline (of course questioned because of an oddly placed readme file), and the speech part is bunked with a fix put out to alleviate this problem. How ironic, PDM use to rag on CLS on the past about fux0ring up like this, now they do the same themselves. Not good. I just have to say, WTF is up with doing a repack three german budget games, and packaging them up and calling it "SupplierName Games". He didn't code the damn thing! I find it kind of gey IMO. But it's just me. I think I'm going to go to the store, get three Expert or Valu-Soft titles, and repack them as "Prozzy's Game Pack". Ah don't pounce on me PDM; I just don't think it's right. I mean why don't other groups do it? I just found it to be kind of stupid. Hot Releases: Bowlda Dash - 6 disks Ultimate's Game Pack - 12 disks RollerCoaster Tycoon - 23 disks Flight Squadron: SDOE - 48 disks Redline - 48 disks Mephisto Genius 99 - 11 disks Razor- Welp it's now unofficially official, Razor sucks. There supposed shining knight has come out of hiding (The Punisher), and has told people he's not back and even discussed rumor of starting up his new group. This is after putting out a very debatable release of Gex 2 (I give them credit for releasing it, others think its not worth 25 disks for D3D support), then not able to crack the iso protected games (The infamous Beo is not a GOD!). At least they finally do an aussie game, beating CLS to the game. This group is on a downward spiral, and I don't think even Trent Reznor is going help them out of this. Hot Releases: GEX 2 USA FINAL - 25 disks Australian Cricket Captain - 25 disks Origin- Ah the group I love to hate. While OGN is trying to argue that Premier Manager 99 is valid release. I'm not going to debate anything, just present the facts. The original rip was 50 disks (50 * 2.88M) plus these addons: V.03-05-99: pm99db01.zip , 7, 19775 KB, 03-05-99, Premiere.Manager.99.Database.Addon-ORIGIN V.03-05-99: pm99sp01.zip , 24, 66235 KB, 03-05-99, Premiere.Manager.99.Speech.Addon-ORIGIN V.03-05-99: pm99st01.zip , 30, 83106 KB, 03-05-99, Premiere.Manager.99.Stadium.Addon-IND You make the call. I'm also going give you a little blurb of a chat I had with a OGN Senior. Too bad, origin is one good USA guy away from kicking ass Laugh, ive heard than since December ;) where's our usa guy? =( My past claims have mostly true about this group. LAUGH! Hot Releases: Premier Manager 99 - 50 disks. Other- Welp if PDM isn't putting out the games, then TBT & TPC are putting them out. But it's known that these 2 groups are getting the games that are rejected by the big groups as unreleasable or not that high of quality. Hey, a game is a game. It might be j0nx, it might be cool, but it all should be pirated. Make everything free to force the companies to make better quality games! Hot Releases: Bird Hunter Upland Edition 3D - 22 disks Deer's Hunter - 18 disks Smolensk to Moscow - 6 disks Springer'ish Final Thoughts: I've brought this up once before, but I think people are becoming way too open about all this shit in the scene, and it's already biting back. I won't give any names, but a scene friend of mine got "the talk" recently, and they knew a lot of shit about this guy, and it frigging blew his mind what the feds knew. It's also coming up as time when a bust should usually go down (There have been busts in 91, 94 & 97.. year 2000 bust soon?). There have been recent news articles about Reno & The Feds going to net investigating illegal activities. Now with the Millenium Act, it's now a lot easier to throw the book at pirates. Most of the time, "the talk" will get people out of the scene permanently, but not always. Maybe I'm again being the toothsayer, but I highly suggest covering your ass. GROUPS, MAKE ALL NFO'S ANON. Don't feed the feds info about your pirate group, they read the nfo's for a lot of information. You have been warned. :P Perm. ad for my website, be sure to check out http://ppgr.webjump.com =----------------------------------=--------------------------------------= -----------[ Bud's Biased Utils Section ]----------- Bud was apparently unable to do a utils report this week, because he had "exams" the whole week.. This is, of course, totally unacceptable, and we simply will not stand for such a poor NWR work ethic. Bud will be back with his utils report when he gets his priorities straightened out, and realizes what is *really* important in the world... BAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH! =----------------------------------=-------------------------------------= =---------[ Lester's Movie Reviews ]----------= Sure he's a prominent scene member, leader of the #1 courier group, and former "Miss Scene 1995".. But did you also know that in real life, Lester's real name is "Roger", and he hosts a popular syndicated television show, where he plays a big fatass who has nothing better to do with his time than go to every single movie ever released? Well.. now you know.. Movie Reviews Wing Commander Starring: Freddie Prinze Jr., Matthew Lillard Rating: 1 1/2 Stars Well, I saw this movie to get the second trailer of Star Wars, and if you get the trailer when you see it, then it's ok. But if you dont get the trailer, then you're fucked. Because this movie sucks alot. It rides the Star Wars hype to hopefully positive box office numbers. This will not happen, because word of mouth runs quick, and it's not good on this baby. Matthew Lillard(Stu from Scream), is at an alltime low here. He is just like a chipper dog in this film, he has no depth or even reason to be there. Freddie Prinze is the same character as every movie he is in. The plot really goes nowhere and the acting is truly pathetic. This is a flat and cheesy movie that seems like it was thrown together just because a new Star Wars is coming out. My advice is to buy the game and play that. ----- The Rage: Carrie 2 Starring: People! Rating: 2 1/2 Stars They're all gonna laugh at you!@ We all know and remember that classic line as Carrie prepared for the prom. Flashforward twenty years to the 90's and Carrie's sister is all grown up. She has the same fucked up life and ability to move things with her mind. The storyline runs the same as the first. She starts to be normal and people fuck with her and watch out cuz she's an evil bitch, etc..I will point out one thing, watch for the kid from Home Improvement towards the end, you do not want to miss it. You'll know what I'm talkin about when you see it. =----------------------------------=-------------------------------------= =---------[ VCD Group and Movie Reviews ]----------= VCD Group and Movie Review We would like to begin by explaining some of the common terms used in VCD releasing. These formats are: Telesync/TS: Telesync is a procam on a tripod in an empty theater with a separate audio source. If there's an audience, you hear people coughing, camera is shaky, etc. It's a CAM. CAM = banned. If you want a movie extremely early, Telesync is the way it will be. Workprint: Workprint is a pre-release copy of a movie, stolen copy, etc. that usually has the film running time on the screen. Screener: Screener is usually the BEST quality, an actual vcd of the movie, made from a reviewers copy, etc. Screener's are generally released after movies have left the theaters. Special Thanks to Ryche of EViLiSO for the education in VCD terms, and to come.to/vcddupe for keeping us up to date on the new titles. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ryche's Really Biased VCD Group Report #6 I have absolutely NOTHING to review so therefore this report will reflect my feelings as to how lame this week actually was. Releases from 3/7/99 - 3/13/99 031399 - Cruel Intentions - Screener - EViLiSO [NUKED] - Airspeed - Workprint -SERENiTY - SERENiTY - Your in this report simply because you put out a nuke and that was highlight this week. Total- 0 Points - EViLISO - Cruel Intentions Screener was the only thing that made this week worth writing a report about. 7 days after its theatrical rls.. booya.. Total- 5 Points W00p, Im through.. EViLISO without a doubt. Not a challenger in the bunch. Not even a release in the bunch. WTF?! Do something you slobs.. Im beginning to feel as useless as Lester is to a release group. GIVE ME SOMETHING TO DO!! Y3k, the BIG problem. Ryche --------------------- Cruel Intentions VCD Review: Video Quality=4/5. Not bad, pretty good quality, though not the best screener i've ever seen. Couple glitches here and there and that stupid earth on the right side of the screen, but it was never in the way. Sound Quality=5/5. Nothing wrong here. Movie Review=3.5/4 *'s. Pretty cool movie, very funny at that. One of the best parts of the movie, was probably when Sebastian shoves cecil off the bed when she tries to give head. Watching her get tossed was elite, kinda reminds me of kruzin. Definately worth seeing. -mgd =----------------------------------=-------------------------------------= =---------[ The truth about GLFTPD ]----------= Ok people, i would suggest that you read through this whole thing before you start jumping to conclusions. I removed the siteops name from the article for 2 reasons, first, he is a siteop, and we try not to mention siteop names in NWR.. Second, if what he is saying is true (and i believe him.. i have known him forever in the scene, and he has run a lot of top sites), then he has something to fear in the way of retribution from the glftpd.org ppl... -ndetroit ----------------- A few weeks ago, ndetroit wrote a report about the various daemons available to the scene, comparing them. He gave glftpd very high marks. I am here to set the record straight. GLFTPD IS BACKDOORED. You can deny that however you want, but i can prove it. There have been rumors about the so-called "backdoor" code that was taken out, and put back in, and taken out again, etc, etc. Greyline, the coder of glftpd has gone on record to say that there is NO backdoor code. There is. Why am i saying this? glftpd certainly has to be a GODSEND to the scene. Its easy to set up. It has very few bugs. It has a TON of features, and is pretty damn customisable. What does greyline get out of coding it? Well, if he is like most open-source coders, he get HARASSED. He doesn't do it for money (its free), and he doesn't seem to do it for fame (its a scene daemon, after all)... But wait.. let me take that back. Glftpd is not open-source. Its binaries. Do *YOU* know what your computer is doing right now? ;p i didn't think so. When i started out writing this, i came to a sort of fork in the road. I could either ignore this backdoor thing, for all the "good" greyline has done for the scene, or i could villify him, for putting in a backdoor. Hey, if he wants to put in a backdoor, then SO BE IT, ITS HIS DAEMON. Yeah, thats one argument. But what if something more sinister was going on? What if greyline was logging in to YOUR site behind your back? What if he was sifting through you files? Your personal files (if you were stupid enough to store them on the box).. Enough accusations, here's the facts: I just happened to be sifting through my syslog (as i do on a regular basis), when i noticed someone port-scanning the box: Mar 12 13:35:50 penguin tcplogd: port 29878 connection attempt from root@thematrix.glftpd.org [216.76.63.220] Mar 12 13:36:38 penguin tcplogd: port 29883 connection attempt from root@thematrix.glftpd.org [216.76.63.220] (etc, etc) Oh wait.. why would someone from glftpd.org be trying to make a tcp connection on MY box? I run a site, but... i don't have anyone who has a shell with that IP in it.. (i don't, i went through my userfiles, by HAND to make 100% sure.. ) So i did a netstat -a .... and look at what i found: tcp 0 126 penguin.blah.net:1910 root@thematrix.glf:1378 ESTABLISHED tcp 0 0 penguin.blah.net:1910 root@thematrix.glf:2465 FIN_WAIT2 You will notice the 1910... That is the data port of my FTP site. My glftpd site runs on port 1911. I don't know WHY someone would be connecting to my DATA PORT, do you? I logged into the site, and did a site who, and site swho. Guess what? no one was logged in.. Curiouser and curiouser... Finally, i stumbled across this post in a public forum: "Why do you suppose the included utility files in glftpd such as mv and unzip are at least 4 to 5 times larger in size than they are supposed to be? Here is the normal /usr/bin: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 12964 Apr 23 1998 mv* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 81868 Mar 10 23:52 unzip* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 50908 May 7 1998 zip* Here is a fresh copy of v15.7 unzipped: -rwx------ 1 root root 141528 May 23 1998 mv* -rwx------ 1 root root 154761 Apr 25 1998 unzip* -rwx------ 1 root root 202652 Apr 25 1998 zip* And why do you suppose I find my usernames and passwords buried in those files (after glftpd is installed and running) And also what about finding strange script files on my machine in my /usr/lib directory that contain the very same variables that are present in files like mv, unzip, nuker, nukelogscanner, reset, and on and on. Here is a small piece of one found in my /usr/lib directory. ( /^BOR$/ {cmdnum++options=0cmdtab=""printf"staticcharconst*constssu%05d[] = {\n", cmdnum > outfile } The above snippet of code is designed to capture your keystrokes whenever you type SU and then sends your password to a file. Why do you suppose glftpd would need to capture keystrokes in order to obtain the root password for the machine? -Eightball AKA Pink Floyd THG/The FiRM - OldSchool" Ok... now normally i would dismiss that as the rants of a scene lamer, but.. after seeing what i saw in my logs, well.... what do you think? btw.. take a look at the 3 letters behind that dude nick... T H G.... you don't see many ppl claiming THG in their affils list these days, do ya? .... i think he's legit. WHY WAS SOMEONE FROM GLFTPD.ORG LOGGED IN ON THE DATA PORT TO MY SITE? WHY WERE THEY PORTSCANNING MY LINUX BOX? ;p WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE ANSWER THIS? -(name withheld) Ok, there you have the claims and the facts presented. Incidently, on debian boxes, (which is what i run) you can find the syslog in /var/log/syslog. Additionally, you might want to check out "daemon.log" and its archives. I tried to find SOMEONE from glftpd.org for a comment, but everyone was silent. One op in the channel, who spoke on condition of anonimity confirms the backdoor code, and says that when he tried to ask greyline about it, greyline said that it was better if he did not talk about it. #glftpd is strangely silent about this. I am not sure what to write now. If this is true, then a best-case scenerio is that greyline (and whoever else) is a great coder who gets his kicks out of backdooring into other ppls boxes. A worst-case scenerio is that greyline et. al are all feds, and glftpd is just about the most incriminating thing in history. In any case, i would suggest that you take a long hard look at your own systems, and come to your own conclusions. The ramifications of this are immense. If ppl take this seriously (and they should), then 50 sites need to go down tonight, and stay down until they are 100% confident in their daemon. The reason why we sat on this story for so long is that we did not want to smear the good name of glftpd.org. I am printing it now, because i believe the information to be true, and i think that NWR *owes* it to the scene to inform ppl about this. For once, people can say that nwr did the scene some good.... take care everyone... -ndetroit =----------------------------------=-------------------------------------= -----------[The Scene News]----------- All the news thats fit to print... and then some... -Ok people. Glftpd is backdoored, and the backdoor WILL be used against you. Find a new daemon. -ok, so.. WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON WITH THAT WHOLE CHINABLUE THING??? bahahahaha... ridiculous... on one hand, i'd like to say that its pretty wacky if class needs to be THAT badly motivated, and ... aren't you retired chinablue? On the other hand, i would like a p3-500. I saw there was a category there for "best promoter".. At this time, i would like to call to attention my unfailing praise and worship for what has certainly been THE best games group, in the history of the scene. Class is the best, something certainly proved by their stellar performance so far into the 1999 season. Man.. Class has gotten just about every single release so far.. all the big ones.. wow.. they are on a roll, and are DEFINATELY the group to beat. Ermm... *cough* i am really poor... please just send money, chinablue, so i can pay my rent.. ;/ Seriously tho, no matter what happens you KNOW it will be hilarious... I kinda like to see some competition in the scene. Of course, i would like it if it was competition for competition's sake, but hell.. a little greed never killed anyone.. ;p GOOD LUCK TO ALL INVOLVED! -i guess isn't an active trader any more?? hahahaha.. he was just about the best thing that risc had going for it.. ;) i guess they still got aldog, and bizzy2... ermm.. i mean kenzo.. -group moves: lester to ogn, cablegod is DMS, fain joins DMS(!), smokey to pdm, cb retires from cls, jman retires from trading, tirre leaves CORP, -the deal with the whole FH thing is that madboy (fh siteop) apparently was sifting through ogn's pre dir, and tipped off pdm about the ogn release, causing ogn to rush the release, and partially botch it.. bah! bad madboy! stupid! stupid!.. in any case, things got patched up there, and everyone is all lovey-duvey now.. ;p -CWS is gone. I know this is not news, but as far as i am concerned, if tech and duranged are not doing it, then CWS is gone.. I used to dual-write for CWS for a while, so i will miss them.. ;( Good luck tech and duranged... -if you see someone with the IP of: ~bobo@cgowave-10-02.cgocable.net or ~handjob@cgowave-10-02.cgocable.net, please packet them. Thank you. -Well, it looks like Karl has gone out and proved me wrong.. ndt tells me that karl has been out owning channels at will, and even did a few requests! ;) it remains to be seen whether or not karl is still lame, but at least he proved that he has some hax0rizing skillz.. ;p -And finally: | 21346 | youthx | RiSC | 1d 1h | Idling For 1m 1s | its nice to see that RiSC has recruited some good young traders to keep up the legacy.. look at the stamina on that boy!! bizzy is gone, but his legend lives on!!!! -sky masterson =----------------------------------=----------------------------------------= --------[Stories from the Watercooler]---------- Ahh yes, rumors, we all love them even though we love to say how much we hate them when they are about us. And these are some of the better ones circulating around this week. Email us or find us on irc if you have a good rumor you'd like entered, your name will not be included, but we do not add rumors like that say "Tdpriest is having anal sex with Fusion" because we know that Fusion is only having sex with Xtremist and therefore there is no hard evidence of that rumor, so if you have real rumors, let us know. Let's begin! -Rumor has it that ....... ... that we couldn't come up with any rumors this week! =-------------------------------------=--------------------------------------= Well friends.. Thats about it. If you've read this far, we sincerly thank you. We like to know this thing gets read, so if you get the time, drop one of us a quick msg, and tell us what you think, give us suggestions, tell us it sucks, or just say "hi" to us!.... Greets fly out to: jaydee, mgd, stix, tdp, hr, eci, jamili, raptor, skill, mandrake, zeus, riches, nutcase, superfly@okcomputer, wu-dave, dee, sj, bud, prozac, bernis, paledeth, duranged, tech+his crew, Kusa, ssava, CRC 97, speedy, subzero, acidapple, and all the rest of you that we love... Find us on IRC in #nwr, (channel commands: !nwr, !nwr 23 or whatever issue you want. We can't afford email, so we just steal CWS's... ;) Support NWR and CWS, and email your weektops to: cws_2000@yahoo.com Thank you! take care.. peace. -ndetroit + lester. NWR 3/17/98